Getting started safely

Site Admin Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 369

This is meirly a suggestion. Each practitioner has their own opinions.

Warning before you start, Start from the beginning.
The beginning is to find you're self.
How do you find you're self?
Find a quite secluded place to relax and think. Outside with nature is the best place for me. Now sit down and start a breathing excirsise. Inhale ten times. When you exhaul, do it slow and think about being calm, relaxed and free. This is easiest when you're wearing loose clothes or none at all. Breath in the air and feel the serinity around you. Silence. Now free you're thoughts as you take the second or third breath. Empty you're mind of todays worries and problems. Inside you're self, there are no problems. Be at peace. About you're fivth or sixth breath, you should feel a slight bit light headedness. You are now relaxing. Thinking of nothing brings new thoughts as they just pop up in you're head. The first couple of times it will be hard to let them pass. But you will get there. Now when you get to ten, you're mind should be free to go where you want it too. This is the beginning.

2) Now that you have relaxed, stare at one object that is pleasant to look at. Look but don't pay it any attention. Your vision should go blurry. Let it. Don't let it go black on you. That means you are falling asleep,HEY, WAKE UP Rolling Eyes

Ok as you're vision blurrs, Take the first thing that pops up in you're head and follow it. It will take you some place you should be. This is you. When you get there, you're thoughts will be what you already know. +Now you have to familuarize you're self as you're self. This other you is the part you keep putting away as ( There are no such things, No you can't do that, thats impossible, Its only in you're imagination.) You know all these things since some one told you them. Now tell you're self, ( yeah there are, I can to do that, Its been done before, Not really.). Try this for a couple of weeks and see if you notice a differance in you're seroundings. What people say to you. What people do for you. Now you know you're self.

Once you have this part down. Take a white sheet of poster board and put a black dot in the direct center of it. Make it the size of a dime. This dot will now represent you're center. The inner being that will teach and learn the magic and all its attributes. Like a huge store room of knowledge and power. The power is what comes from knowledge. This is also the beginning of meditation to some. You will be able to sit in you're room with minner sounds going on around you too.

Now you are ready for a book. What book do you ask? HHHMMM .
There are so many out now a days. I would suggest going to a book store and looking in Paranormal, Witch craft, Magic, Occult or some in religion. Depending on how the store is set up. Find books that state they are for the beginners. Read several of them until you feel that one is right for you. This should be easy since you know what you want and how far you might be willing to go to be there. OK, Enough for this lesson.

Are tdo here any opinions that would like to be shared on this topic, please post them. Radarr

Joined: 28 Apr 2005 Posts: 125 Location: Winder, GA

Spell,
Yes, this is what I am talking about man! I have all this stuff that is just blurred, mixed and spun around with no order. Hence, the chaos tattoo on my chest. I need to learn to find myself in a world of chaos and I do believe this would be a proper first step here. Maybe when all the customers are already gone or checked in, later tonight anyway I can try this one. I have tried a few things that are out of the order of a begginer and done reasonably well. I think is just time to get my life in order for many reasons and this magickal world which I have just stood on the edge of waiting for so many years shall be my guide into where I want to be.

This is important and I know the answer according to many religions, I have my own personal belief that I will add after you answer, but I want your answer:
Should you ever be in an altered state of mind?
a. ever
b. when attempting to gain control of your world
c. when engaging in spells or anything else where other powers may be present
d. finally do you feel that there are certain levels of intoxication and also differences in man made and natural intoxicants.

Yea I broke it down into four parts. I don't feel like typing out exactly what I believe and so on right now, but will. You are the teacher and I am the student, so you go first.

By the way I know this is a touchy subject to some, but I would say it is pretty damn important to know when gambling with your life possibly later on.

Much Love, David A.

Site Admin Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 369

David, I some practise's, it is good to alter you're state. But if you don't know what you are doing, then no. Some use mary janers to relax. This is something I feel will give you volnerabilty to outside influence's. Exspecially drinking. Once you are adept, then altering may be the thing for you. I don't use any thing for myself and don't subscribe to the use of drugs for magic. Exspecially when calling on entities. Once soul is a lot to loose. If you where to die, what's to say you will know where you are going if you're in an altered state. If you are clear headed, so is you're path. I hope this will help you out.

There are several American Indian tribes that use differant drugs to take them on their great journeys' They have long used this in a safe and respectable fashion. The secrets to this have been passed down for many generations and is still used today. You can find books on this at you're local library or book store. Loiuse Castinada is one that I woul;d recommend reading beforew you try this. Radarr

Joined: 28 Apr 2005 Posts: 125 Location: Winder, GA

Spell,
Of course this helps me out. Like I said I am an ancient trapped in a begginers mind that doesn't yet fully understand how to see inside itself clearly. Bits and pieces are a dangerous combination, so I must start over. Alcohol, Hell no! I know better than that. But yea, the M.J., that's my baby right there. I quite for like the first 6 months I was with Lisa, but realized that path is not for me. I strongly believe if the earth gives it to us straight out and naturally, we should be able to enjoy. Yea, there are very bad things in this earth with mal intentions, but I don't see Mary as one of these beings. The next notches up in alteration I agree should be left to those who fully understand how. I been to those places and must admit it was quite scary. I believe I told you about the time I disappeared. If not ask and I will tell, that scared the f out of me because I thought I was in charge and was proven wrong. So by this reasoning added with what you said, I should be cautious with Mary, right? Well yes, but no. Should I be to the point of smokeyness that I may become harmed durring a ceremony, I would be willing to bet, that ceremony was beyond where I should be visiting at that point in time anyway. I have a sacred place here in Texas where I only go to enhance things and make better. The forces awakened by this, are not commanded to do so, but rather invited on a peaceful little trip with me. I guess in a way this would be a protection spell of sorts. But I have had my heart thumping while on journeys in this land also. This leads me to believe that I am no where near ready to go deeper. I have always dreamed to explore more and see what I can find, but have been scared. I have had dreams when I was paying more attention to the craft than usuall, that would not make me feel so easy. You were here the few times, spirits rose concern in me. There are enough of you here who believe in yourselves enough that I can feel safe learning from you.

I can't wait to get my first real book, one that calls to me knowing I am looking for it. The last books I had were just random choices chosen by cover, name or just grabbing one and then I was disappointed most times. Still staying at my level I have another question. When I am ready to communicate with others, how in the f will it work talking in English? I might be wrong, but I believe that English is one messed up language that most of us who speak it don't ever fully understand in our life times. And it is a newer language. So when speaking to older beings, how should this language work. I figure at least a form of Latin, ie Espanol and such is due or at least polite. The only conclusion I can come to is the fact that Symbols are an ancient and powerful language and the spells can be translated through them and ceremony some how. I need to know this when purchasing my book of choice to start with. If everything is in English including spells, should that concern me about the person having truth in what they say?

Much Love, David A.

p.s. hope I am not to long of a thorn in your side brother, but I want to walk without stumbling from now on. I am working on this in many ways. Have tried before, but with wrong tools and surroundings.

Joined: 28 Apr 2005 Posts: 125 Location: Winder, GA

New question: Old books or new books?

I like used books for a few reasons. One of course price. But the other is the fact that older books just have such a better feel to them. They were once in their prime untill they got lost in a junk pile or whatever. Then I come along and find them there all lonely and rescue them. The pages have seen so many years and fingers, hands, eyes, hearts and minds. It is like they are alive.

But........
I am a new writer and like people to buy my books. So watcha think on this one?

Much love, David A.

Site Admin Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 369

This ones up to you Dave, I like old books too. But as you touch each book, it has to have that feel thats right. But thats just me. Radarr

Joined: 12 May 2005 Posts: 132

David, this is just a thought....meditation also works wonders. You don't have to do anything fancy for that, just find a special place, and enter into a relaxed state of mind. Meditation works best if all is quiet around you. I now enjoy listening to meditation music while I meditate and light a few candles. Meditation has taken me on some awesome journeys....meditation is also known as self-hypnosis, and I often enter my trance state of mind then. I agree with Spells that drinkin could only bring harm...we aren't in control when we are drinking, so our thoughts wouldnt be in control...I have a couple books that were given to me as a gift...I have found myself in bookstores and was so overwhelmed I told myself it wasn't time for me to purchase a book yet...but lately, I've had the strongest urge to buy a book...you will know if its the right book for you... I was also told to buy a journal book ( there is actually one at hastings in book form) to keep with you and by you at all times to write down any thoughts...I believe this helps open up any channels...well, enough from me..glad this little forum has opened up...one of my favorite quotes " I believe, therefore I am"...

p.s. David, no need to be scared on this journey...to travel down this road is a wonderful experience....

Karen....

Joined: 28 Apr 2005 Posts: 125 Location: Winder, GA

Thanks Karen,
You are a good helper also. I will try to get better at not being so scared sometimes. It is just a few times I felt almost helpless and it sucked. I am getting better at that though. All of you are great and I can't wait to grow with you though the times.
Much Love, David A.